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[arkain101]

Unispirality: Oneness. Spirituality. Reality.

A thread to discuss the connection of reality and spirituality and how Oneness gets itself involved. Through works of philosophy, science, logical weaving, intuitions, questions, dreams, theories, and whatever floats your boat.

This thread will be meant to discuss things related to these questions but we lets try to avoid answering them untill we have a big pile of information related to our reality, our spirituality, and our oneness.
What are we?
How is it possible we are here?
Where did we come from?
Where are we going?
Why are we here?


The information that provides answers.

As of this point in science the most basic stuff that makes up the material world we see, isnt material stuff at all. It is what we can best describe a wave, and a particle, both or neither, one or the other. It has no certain position, it has no time, it has no space, it is anywhere it needs to be in order to construct something material like for an observer.

We can't even call it stuff, because it behaves like nothing other than an obidient force that will obey any observers command when they comprehend it.

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[Uriah]

What are we?
I assume you are asking this in the figurative sense, In that case we are physical beings in a physical universe. However we possess a doorway to the metaphysical in our minds, it is through that doorway - I feel - that we will find any answers - if indeed any exist - to questions such as the ones being asked here.

How is it possible we are here?
I understand where this is coming from. We are an amazing phenomenon. The fact we are here at all bespeaks a certain kind of metaphysical purpose to the universe.
However, we are no more complicated than the stars, or the sublime dance of the galaxies as they drift through the great deep void of space. To be completely honest, a human being isn't even the most complicated lifeform on our own planet. Slime Molds for instance, are much more complicated and mysterious than we are when you think about.
This tells me that it isn't such an amazing coincidence we exist, I think rather that we are perfectly normal and given enough time and luck will find many other sentient races awakening throughout the universe.

Where did we come from?
From the universe. The same stuff that we are made of is what the stars are made of. To take it even further - and I'm paraphrasing Deepak Chopra - everything in the universe is comprised of the same base material: Random bits of information and energy.

Where are we going?
Where ever we choose to go.

Why are we here?
I have always felt that the moment this question were answered all the magic, mystery, beauty, and sublime wonder of life would be gone. Not to mention the fun. I hope to never know the answer to this question - if there is one.




Structure and order, it would seem to me, do develop naturally over time. It is a natural process of the universe - of nature - for a system to get more complex and vibrant as it progresses. Entropy goes both ways, and chaos is most often a catalyst for growth, not a destructive executioner or something to be fearfull of.
The universe appears to operate on a few very basic axioms. Out with the old, in with the new. Consume and rebirth. Cycles upon cycles, a constant walk from day to night over and over again. Becoming, being, becoming, being, becoming, being, becoming.....
Nature has no finished products, even in death an animal serves a purpose to nature. It still evolves, it becomes soil, mineral, oxygen. Nothing is wasted by the universe, not even time.
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be in nothing so moderate as in the love of man, a clever servant, insufferable master. ~ Robinson Jeffers

[arkain101]

Physical Approach
The several layers of reality.

Reality has many layers, each is true, just different levels of mentally constructed truth.

Let's begin by the brain and the areas where reality exists.

Brain.




Layer 1: Macroscopic (visual part of brain) It reflects memories to input and forms perception.(mental idea)

Lets look at Tree's.






Layer 2:Microscopic Tree Cell (mental idea)



Layer 3:Molecules, Molecular geometry Constructs Mircoscopic.(mental idea)



Layer 4:The atom, Atomic Constructs Mircoscopic.(mental idea)


Layer 5:Subatomic, SubAtomic Constructs Mircoscopic.(mental idea)


Layer 6:Quantum Quanta, No long quite mentally constructable. At this layer, things are both wavey, and particle like, over here, or over there, some 3000 locations at the same time, but still one thing. This is a level at which you can't grab things so to speak because anything you grab with is made out of the same uncertain goup of possibility. This is where Mental construct of the mind meets the mind itself.

Below, a kind of many possibilities if you will(on a graph)



At a zero tempeature you can pretend these things are your little workers of reality. At zero degrees they are One thing.


But, they are also many places at the same time, and also like a wave.
One object in quanta world:




These are the known layers in a pretty basic description of reality. Each is true, each has its own set of laws and rules, but all of them require a mental construct (a mind) in order to make them become comprehendable and visually in a geometric fashion. The deepest level, is mindless, senseless, and non-tangible, invisible, not there, but everywhere, paradoxical. It is your matter-mind.

At this stage or section, reality is One. Where there is only one thing, it is also zero. So at this level it is as if Mind-Matter One to One to make one.


I found an interesting image that kind of also expresses the artistic approach to showing levels of reality, or sections if you will, which is probably a better way to express this.

[michael1111]

why don't you just accept you're in reality, embrace your spiritual side and become one with yourself all the while not harming anybody?

i don't have a diagram for that

stop trying to define life and start living it!

[arkain101]

The Physical Approach, with words explaining.


At the deepest of deep in the physical universe that we know everything is rather invisible and it acts strange. One way to explain how this strange behavior gets away with what it does is either time does not exist, or time is capable to flow more that one direction, which one would assume is forward and backwards in time.

So without a mind that is intelligent enough to comprehend words and meaning and logic through various senses the universe is infact unfathamable. According to what we call real, the universe's core, is not real. It's super real, supernatural.

This now leads us into the spiritual comprehension and implication to reality. We will be refering to spiritual as also supernatural, conscious like, and mind like.

The next post will attempt to explain how our spiritual self, or how the supernatural plays a role in this world as part of this world.

The without or outside realm (objects and people and things) and the Within realm (the mind, spiritualness, consciousness, the supernatural function that generates meaning from meaningless things).

[arkain101]

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why don't you just accept you're in reality, embrace your spiritual side and become one with yourself all the while not harming anybody? i don't have a diagram for that stop trying to define life and start living it!

I do bud. In due time you will see where it comes back to living, what it means for living, and how it can help our living.

It is a guide for our beliefs. You see we can get a pretty good idea, it is more likely there is no single theory to explain all things. Intead there is many different theories for many different levels. And all levels appear to be patterns. Patterns would mean a whole bunch of seperate events that mean nothing, and do nothing, turned into meaning.

The next post will be more aimed to showing patterns and spirituality.

[synchro1111]

Nick!

Cool explorations! Your mind is truly awesome. Keep thinking outside the box, Mister!

love,
karen

[michael1111]

arkain101 wrote:

Quote: why don't you just accept you're in reality, embrace your spiritual side and become one with yourself all the while not harming anybody? i don't have a diagram for that stop trying to define life and start living it! I do bud. In due time you will see where it comes back to living, what it means for living, and how it can help our living. It is a guide for our beliefs. You see we can get a pretty good idea, it is more likely there is no single theory to explain all things. Intead there is many different theories for many different levels. And all levels appear to be patterns. Patterns would mean a whole bunch of seperate events that mean nothing, and do nothing, turned into meaning. The next post will be more aimed to showing patterns and spirituality.

there are all theories to explain all things. do you think the universe is infinite? i do and because of that i know that you will find pattern everywhere you look. that is a given. and there is no nothing only everything waiting to be experienced in an infinite universe. all events play out simultaneously while the great consciousness spreads out and through, to experience them all. you are not even born. you are already dead. you are vibrant and alive. you are all of those things already. we all are. we are simply in the moment, all the time, all at once.

and this great consciousness struggles to become nothing, to go back to the start. it seeks to find an answer in an infinites sea of answers to the question why. what if in this very moment, only i exist? what if it is my assumptions of your intentions and emotions that makes this moment? in this very moment i represent the universe in my experiencing of this situation. what if when you go to reply, only you existed as the same consciousness playing through nick?

that is how the universe works, or so it is to me. i just don't know how long as moment is, but i have a feeling it's as long as it has to be

i am going to make the michael neil stanton moments memorable, so the universe has something good to dream about when it falls back to sleep. imagine if i could help and inspire others to do the same, based solely on our actions? i am going to give the all a good time when it sees life through my eyes. i will try to maintain balance so i can feel more. i am going to boil everything down to simple logic. i am going to be nice to people who are nice to me and try to ignore those who aren't. i will do my best to follow the golden rule. that's all i have to do.

now where did that come from? oh wait...nowhere.

it's the flip side of all.

the centre of the universe...


michael

[michael1111]

sorry to divert from what you were doing nick, but i appreciate the inspiration

[arkain101]

First of all Michael that is an incredible perspective.

Second, let me explain the purpose to this thread.

We most certainly would want to ask when we see a book or pile of information; "What is in it for me and why should I care?" and "What does this have to do with my life when I wake up in the morning, roll out of bed, and get prepared to make my way to work, and throughout my day when I need to be on task in focus, not to mention all the other moments throughout my day?"

This is what it all boils down to of course. We have a limited time in life and we are not going to invest our life into places that seem a waste, nor are we all going to want someone to tell us what to do.

The reason I have is this. There are always people searching for absolute theories and when they find very hard evidence to support their theory it can become mainstream. These theories will make their way into schools and into peoples minds and it will direct alot of the patterns that form in your home, your town, your city, and your country.

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Quick Example: Thanks to eager minded people many years ago, they made discoveries that were so profound and amazing that they changed the power that the church had on people. Just because one man realised the earth is probably round, and also not the center of the universe, people were free from supressed lives, and allowed to explore and live with alot less fear of being burned at a stake or something similar to this.

Today it is not quite as extreme in 1st world countries as it used to be in the past, however there is still similar things occuring. That because they have new ideas, others must be wrong. However, everytime someone has said this is the way it is, forget about the other ways, after another discovery a big groups gets excited and claim no, this is how it is, and this is what is wrong.

Even today, scientists are now saying, this is how it is, you make your own reality, and alot of other ideas are wrong. We are doing it again! and the exact same thing we say about today, is going to be shown not so true in another sector, or layer.

We must accept at the core, that we do not know. No matter what we know, we will not know all. Uriah said it well, knowing why would remove the very thing that make life what it is.

Evolution theory for example, explains very accurately how life addapts to its surroundings. However, just because this is right does not close the doors on what else is right and what else is ture. I hope to show with as much supporting evidence as I can that there are many levels of things that are true.

In school today people are being taught that because evolution theory seems right, faith must be wrong, spirituality must be wrong. They are being told that they are no more than human instinct. Well, if this is what they are taught and they believe, there must of course be effects that are produced because of this. Although I have no checked the research on this, I would suggest, that if you teach people they are nothing more than instinct, and emotional driven addicts, they are probably going to end up that way somehow or another. There is more hope than that, you can be more than you feel, you just need "evidence", and knoweldge to teach you that it is so.

The most profound part of this thread is this point here.

No matter how strong a single theory on a single topic appears to be it will never give it the right to exclude other possibilities, or claim other things wrong.

[arkain101]

A kind of creative writing approach.

The many things WE are and the many things that We Are.

I am.

I am myself, and I am my own.

I am my body, and this body is mine.

I am my cells, and these cells I own.

I am my atoms, These atoms are mine.

I am energy, this energy I am.

I am quantum fluctuations, and these quantum fluctuations I control.

I am my mind, my mind is me.

I am my emotions, and these emotions are owned to me.

We are many things.

We do not borrow a body it is ours to own.

When was the last time you were told how many things you are and that are your own.

I have been given all these things, I did not make them my own.

I am many things, and many of these things are you.

I have electrons and so do you. I have cells and so do you. I am and so are you.

In all of these things that I am, I am one.

In all of these things that we are, we are one.

Who I am is me and who you are is you, but we share the same things that make this world be.

The only thing that makes us different is the ideas we make up.

I am. !

We are. #><#

It is. O

Thats one.

Thankfully to Our ONE.

[Aaron]

Good thread! For the moment I stand by the sidelines and watch how it plays out.
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without losing your temper or your self-confidence." ~Robert Frost

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[synchro1111]

arkain101 wrote:

Quote: why don't you just accept you're in reality, embrace your spiritual side and become one with yourself all the while not harming anybody? i don't have a diagram for that stop trying to define life and start living it! I do bud. In due time you will see where it comes back to living, what it means for living, and how it can help our living. It is a guide for our beliefs. You see we can get a pretty good idea, it is more likely there is no single theory to explain all things. Intead there is many different theories for many different levels. And all levels appear to be patterns. Patterns would mean a whole bunch of seperate events that mean nothing, and do nothing, turned into meaning. The next post will be more aimed to showing patterns and spirituality.

Nick, you continue to demonstrate these principles just by being you. Keep up the great work.......I'm learning much from you.

karen

[Revol]

arkain101 wrote:

Unispirality: Oneness. Spirituality. Reality. How is it possible we are here? Where did we come from? Where are we going? Why are we here? The information that provides answers. As of this point in science the most basic stuff that makes up the material world we see, isnt material stuff at all. It is what we can best describe a wave, and a particle, both or neither, one or the other. It has no certain position, it has no time, it has no space, it is anywhere it needs to be in order to construct something material like for an observer. We can't even call it stuff, because it behaves like nothing other than an obidient force that will obey any observers command when they comprehend it.

Gosh to much thinking, not enough action. I don't ask why anymore and it is adviced to stop asking why's to answers you will never find. Seems a desire for the answer to life. For now I would like to just get through this life and hopefully do some good while I stumble and fall. I figure when I can comprhend the ultimate truth it will be revieled to me. For now I ask "what can we do about illness, the enviorment, be a better person, love my enemies, overcome substance desires, stop the war, and of course pay my bills"
Little kids start asking why about three and my kids use to drive me nuts "why is my hair blond and your is brown"
' because of our Genes'
'What are Genes"
"Something that makes up you body so it's different than everyone elses"
"Why are we different........Why do we have Genes......Why do we have bodies?"
and every question asked leads straight to how did I get here? how was I put in your belly? who is God? Where did God come from? which ultimately leads to your set of whys and hows.
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Revol
I see what you refuse and embrace what you discard, I touch what you fear and love what you can't. Follow and I will show you how, when you are ready, of course.