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Jordan'sMatt
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First point:
Need to comment on the whole Charlie Kirk thing. Note Peterson's relevance.
An important interview with Kirk and Peterson where two key points should be taken in to consideration.
1. "Woke is a spiritual struggle" -Kirk
2. Kirk took a "hyper masculine street fight" approach with the students - also Kirk
Wisdom needs to be considered carefully when we probably haven't even accurately gauged how deep the rabbit hole goes regarding the "spiritual struggle". Saying that this is a spiritual struggle is not far from saying that this is a struggle between masculine/feminine and faith/reason as an inner turmoil.
consider the immediate points made in the following videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAh7PfvIIw&t=675s
Second point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE&t=792s
Don't get me wrong, Peterson is one of my favorite people. But I've truly caught him in a total contradiction here. In the last video I posted of him with Kirk, he said that we have to make a return back to our core values, yet, in this video at the time started from he points out that scientists are searching for an underlying unity to things that "may have to do with imagination and value". There's virtually no disconnection between "value" and "values" here. What needs to be brought up is that the "scientists" or theoretical physicists tell us that it will take deep mathematical sense and creativity to put forth a hopeful theory for which we have none. Whether this should be described as "creating value" or "revealing value" is a moot point.
The bottom line is that Peterson's dismissal of Nietzsche's "creation of values" philosophy is obviously the most ridiculous and hypocritical claims that even Peterson himself entirely conflicts with.
But in my full understanding of Peterson, I could defend him here also with some of his other core values and beliefs. Knowing how much he values sacrifice, I will say that he has humiliated himself to a sacrificial level. I can appreciate this sour virtue for sure. However, someone needs to call him out on being irresponsible for this complete contradiction with himself here.
Need to comment on the whole Charlie Kirk thing. Note Peterson's relevance.
An important interview with Kirk and Peterson where two key points should be taken in to consideration.
1. "Woke is a spiritual struggle" -Kirk
2. Kirk took a "hyper masculine street fight" approach with the students - also Kirk
Wisdom needs to be considered carefully when we probably haven't even accurately gauged how deep the rabbit hole goes regarding the "spiritual struggle". Saying that this is a spiritual struggle is not far from saying that this is a struggle between masculine/feminine and faith/reason as an inner turmoil.
consider the immediate points made in the following videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAh7PfvIIw&t=675s
Second point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE&t=792s
Don't get me wrong, Peterson is one of my favorite people. But I've truly caught him in a total contradiction here. In the last video I posted of him with Kirk, he said that we have to make a return back to our core values, yet, in this video at the time started from he points out that scientists are searching for an underlying unity to things that "may have to do with imagination and value". There's virtually no disconnection between "value" and "values" here. What needs to be brought up is that the "scientists" or theoretical physicists tell us that it will take deep mathematical sense and creativity to put forth a hopeful theory for which we have none. Whether this should be described as "creating value" or "revealing value" is a moot point.
The bottom line is that Peterson's dismissal of Nietzsche's "creation of values" philosophy is obviously the most ridiculous and hypocritical claims that even Peterson himself entirely conflicts with.
But in my full understanding of Peterson, I could defend him here also with some of his other core values and beliefs. Knowing how much he values sacrifice, I will say that he has humiliated himself to a sacrificial level. I can appreciate this sour virtue for sure. However, someone needs to call him out on being irresponsible for this complete contradiction with himself here.
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Jordan'sMatt
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Jordan'sMatt
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The point is, instead of a game that's anti-western philosophical tradition, we need a game that's pro-western philosophical tradition
When western video games hijack the western religious narrative in the worst way, involving a false God(Baal from the bible itself) that has been identified as the brother of Satan in the game, what do you do? It's hard to argue that a religious line has been crossed by a game in the modern video game industry and then proceed to suggest that the game should head back towards a more morally decent and accurate design without seeming to make the game even more religious than the deception. (btw, I dare not mention the type of person and political views of the people who made this game due to emotional sensitivity and pride)
In other words, how do you restore and respect the Christian narrative in this product by some middle ground that even non religious people can get on board with?
I think the significance of what was hijacked and how it was hijacked is a lot more impactful than what people are considering or would give credit for.
I will put a few diagrams in the comments in proper order to show how to get there. And I support Nathan Schlueter's perspective of the "Western Philosophical Tradition" which I will point out in the comments along the way.
Also a point from Dr. Phil
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OliShO1n5MQ
https://ibb.co/nNbzGW70
https://ibb.co/SXFvXXzq
https://ibb.co/vxrhxTsC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4uQ8dPm4PI&t=1080s (up to 12:36) "I think that to understand the western philosophical tradition you need both of those paintings. You need the world of faith, and the world of philosophy(reason).
https://ibb.co/KzWcG76B
https://ibb.co/nqs57bgf
When western video games hijack the western religious narrative in the worst way, involving a false God(Baal from the bible itself) that has been identified as the brother of Satan in the game, what do you do? It's hard to argue that a religious line has been crossed by a game in the modern video game industry and then proceed to suggest that the game should head back towards a more morally decent and accurate design without seeming to make the game even more religious than the deception. (btw, I dare not mention the type of person and political views of the people who made this game due to emotional sensitivity and pride)
In other words, how do you restore and respect the Christian narrative in this product by some middle ground that even non religious people can get on board with?
I think the significance of what was hijacked and how it was hijacked is a lot more impactful than what people are considering or would give credit for.
I will put a few diagrams in the comments in proper order to show how to get there. And I support Nathan Schlueter's perspective of the "Western Philosophical Tradition" which I will point out in the comments along the way.
Also a point from Dr. Phil
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OliShO1n5MQ
https://ibb.co/nNbzGW70
https://ibb.co/SXFvXXzq
https://ibb.co/vxrhxTsC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4uQ8dPm4PI&t=1080s (up to 12:36) "I think that to understand the western philosophical tradition you need both of those paintings. You need the world of faith, and the world of philosophy(reason).
https://ibb.co/KzWcG76B
https://ibb.co/nqs57bgf
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Jordan'sMatt
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When Trump talks about the "enemy within", he's correct that there is an enemy within, but is he targeting the right enemy within? Is he targeting those who hijacked the Christian narrative in the video game industry and brainwashed the youth to embrace the child sacrifice of Baal worship? Is he pro Christian or anti-Christian?
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Jordan'sMatt
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few more diagrams, then I think I'm retiring from diagram making.
https://ibb.co/DPXvfGCW
https://ibb.co/xtKBLX1J
https://ibb.co/1YX70ysX
https://ibb.co/DPXvfGCW
https://ibb.co/xtKBLX1J
https://ibb.co/1YX70ysX
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Jordan'sMatt
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These two diagrams alone and in order can almost tell the whole story from beginning to end.
https://ibb.co/23vqf1C8
https://ibb.co/4gX6S4K2
https://ibb.co/23vqf1C8
https://ibb.co/4gX6S4K2
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Jordan'sMatt
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I have a set of 7 diagrams now to make an overall expression that is surely profound. Any questions about them I might actually be able to address with other diagrams. Some of these are older but necessarily updated.
https://ibb.co/Z1fcqWmr
https://ibb.co/FkK1wrSc
https://ibb.co/z11ZwCY
https://ibb.co/nh1f5KP
https://ibb.co/VW8cNQvV
https://ibb.co/xSRTshbC
https://ibb.co/rRS8rnS9
"Forget theories of everything, that is so yesterday. The next big thing in science are theories of complexity/consciousness" -Sabine Hassenfelder
She's very close to saying something like "the next big thing in philosophy are theories of love and story"
https://ibb.co/Z1fcqWmr
https://ibb.co/FkK1wrSc
https://ibb.co/z11ZwCY
https://ibb.co/nh1f5KP
https://ibb.co/VW8cNQvV
https://ibb.co/xSRTshbC
https://ibb.co/rRS8rnS9
"Forget theories of everything, that is so yesterday. The next big thing in science are theories of complexity/consciousness" -Sabine Hassenfelder
She's very close to saying something like "the next big thing in philosophy are theories of love and story"
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hello Matt.
telling people you see 11:11 is 11:11
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Jordan'sMatt
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Well look at that, Matter matters too.
I was thinking about putting symmetry group Su3 on a shirt with that message.

I was thinking about putting symmetry group Su3 on a shirt with that message.
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Jordan'sMatt
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There's much more to this video than what the title implies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mY_YUUdRBk
Wow, a modern philosopher that knocked on a very sensitive door. A bold mountaineer that reminds one of Nietzsche's Ubermench.
I'll add my 2 cents to his vision for hope at the end.
I think that what needs to happen is that the problem of the possibility of the tragedy that one can and does happen to find himself in, needs to be perceived in a manner of -when one door closes, another one opens. But not just any door... one that, when entered through, converts the problem of the profane emotional reaction into the sacred act. But we also need more ideas and aspects of what the sacred is as some aspects seem obvious, yet others, mysterious.
And ultimately, we need to merge the pursuit of sublimation with all the technique and aspect of the sacred that we sense to be axiomatic by nature's articulate and emergent diversity.
Sorry if that sounds crazy but understanding and forward steps might not be the same thing. We might need a history of forward steps that traces to the origin of those steps which we can reflect on to understand reality and our situation on a deeper level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mY_YUUdRBk
Wow, a modern philosopher that knocked on a very sensitive door. A bold mountaineer that reminds one of Nietzsche's Ubermench.
I'll add my 2 cents to his vision for hope at the end.
I think that what needs to happen is that the problem of the possibility of the tragedy that one can and does happen to find himself in, needs to be perceived in a manner of -when one door closes, another one opens. But not just any door... one that, when entered through, converts the problem of the profane emotional reaction into the sacred act. But we also need more ideas and aspects of what the sacred is as some aspects seem obvious, yet others, mysterious.
And ultimately, we need to merge the pursuit of sublimation with all the technique and aspect of the sacred that we sense to be axiomatic by nature's articulate and emergent diversity.
Sorry if that sounds crazy but understanding and forward steps might not be the same thing. We might need a history of forward steps that traces to the origin of those steps which we can reflect on to understand reality and our situation on a deeper level.
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Jordan'sMatt
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Also, imagine something that we might describe as the 11:11 political virtue system.
Problem: too many people on the right or left just vote the way they do so that their side wins, not because they give much of a damn about the person who runs.
Solution: instead of both parties narrowing down to one candidate on each side, it now narrows down to two on each side. A republican side and a democrat side. Then both sides must COOPERATIVELY debate against each other, 2 vs 2. And for the "pre final vote".
Then for the FINAL vote, what happens is that the couple that won must debate against each other 1 vs 1.
But then here's the final catch and key.
If they are republicans then only the democrats will get to vote and determine the winner
If they are democrats then only the republicans will get to vote and determine the winner
Problem: too many people on the right or left just vote the way they do so that their side wins, not because they give much of a damn about the person who runs.
Solution: instead of both parties narrowing down to one candidate on each side, it now narrows down to two on each side. A republican side and a democrat side. Then both sides must COOPERATIVELY debate against each other, 2 vs 2. And for the "pre final vote".
Then for the FINAL vote, what happens is that the couple that won must debate against each other 1 vs 1.
But then here's the final catch and key.
If they are republicans then only the democrats will get to vote and determine the winner
If they are democrats then only the republicans will get to vote and determine the winner
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Jordan'sMatt
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I also say this because Bernie Sanders running as a democrat or republican would have made a better president than either Trump or Biden.